Campus Visit Horror Stories 2


It has been 9 years since we last discussed some of the “amusing or awful or cringe-worthy” experiences job candidates have had during on-campus visits.

It’s time to catch up.

On-campus interview season is upon us, so it’s not too late to provide cautionary tales for both candidates and hiring departments. Let’s hear your horror stories.


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Junior Woman Philosopher
Junior Woman Philosopher
1 year ago

The last time I was on the job market I had a nursing baby at home, so I was pumping during on campus interviews. Which meant I had to request pumping breaks in my schedule and a place to pump.

One of the search chairs proudly announced that since I had needed a “break” he had decided to give all of the candidates “breaks”.

(Hint for hiring departments: give job candidates breaks. Pumping sessions aren’t breaks.)

not Justin
not Justin
Reply to  Justin Weinberg
1 year ago

Come on Justin,
You will have to shit in front of your colleagues sometime during your career

ella
ella
Reply to  not Justin
1 year ago

thats crazy

actually the average height for a woman
actually the average height for a woman
1 year ago

During an interview with the Dean, she made a memorable comment: “You are short. I usually don’t trust short people, but you seem okay.”

Delicious
Delicious
1 year ago

Not me, but I heard of a candidate who asked the department chair and dean if they wanted a sip of their mango lassi at dinner. After a polite refusal, the candidate doubled down and insisted they should try it.

Alma
Alma
Reply to  Delicious
1 year ago

oh god, i’m wincing since i can totally see myself doing this

Meme
Meme
Reply to  Delicious
1 year ago

Just sounds like a cool dude to me.

Ryan
Ryan
1 year ago

During an on-campus interview, I was at lunch with graduate students when it was announced that there was an active shooter. I was then ushered into a basement with a few hundred other people. The situation ended after like an hour, and then I went right to my job talk.

The department didn’t do anything wrong. Everyone’s nerves were understandably frayed, and there was a schedule to keep to enable them to compare candidates. Not a lot you can do in that situation. I didn’t get the job.

Ben
Ben
1 year ago

I’ve communicated that I’m vegan beforehand and then found there was little to no vegan food during the campus visit. I’ve heard others have had similar experiences, eating cliff bars between breaks.

It Worked Out Okay
It Worked Out Okay
1 year ago

Not so much a horror story as it is a story about an ethically questionable search.

About a decade ago, I had an on-campus visit in a small liberal arts college just outside a major Southeast city. Given the composition of the college, there was not a philosophy department proper. The search committee was composed of a variety of humanities professors, none of whom taught philosophy. I knew going into the visit that there was a temporary instructor in philosophy at this college, who also happened to be the spouse of a then tenure-track (TT) assistant professor. The TT assistant professor was not on the search committee. I figured that the instructor must then be a candidate and that he likely had the inside track on the position, given that his spouse was THE philosophy professor in the college but was not on the committee.

The visit began with dinner with the search committee. Much to my surprise and initial delight, the TT assistant professor was at the dinner, and the chair of the committee wanted her to sit next to me to discuss philosophy, teaching strategies, etc. I figured that, if the TT assistant professor was at the dinner and had an opportunity to meet with me, that her spouse was NOT a candidate for the position after all. Otherwise, this would have been a clear conflict of interest.

The next morning as I was driving with the search committee chair to campus for the full-day visit, the chair mentioned that she received very positive feedback from the TT assistant professor about the previous evening’s conversation and that the committee was very “impressed” (later echoed by another member of the search committee). The chair also told me, unsolicited, that the TT assistant professor was not on the search committee, because it would be a significant burden for an assistant professor to serve on a search committee. I thought that this was a strange arrangement, given the circumstances.

The TT assistant professor ended up giving me a 1-hour campus tour (just the two of us), allowed me to use her office for downtime, and arranged for me to give a teaching demonstration for her class. After the demonstration, she asked me if I would send her my slides and some literature referenced in the class. I spent more time with the TT assistant professor during the visit than any individual search committee member.

Later at the “job talk,” the TT assistant professor asked a couple of questions, in front of a few dozen professors and students at the college. Her spouse (the other philosopher at the college) was not in attendance. Unsolicited (again), one of the search committee members told me that he would not be attendance because he “had something else to do.”

At the conclusion of the visit, each search committee member wished me well. One told me that I had given the best job talk out of all of the candidates. Another came up to me and said – “Your parents live in [major Southeast city], right? I really hope this works out for you.” I’ve been through many on-campus job visits; I’ve never encountered a search committee (as a job seeker and as a committee member!) that worked so hard to convey directly to a candidate how impressed they were with a visit, let alone expressing a “hope” that the candidate both gets the job and would end up so close to family. I had wanted the position before the visit. But such comments from search committee members seriously kicked up my emotionally investment and hope.

I didn’t get the job. Instead, the offer was made to the spouse of the TT assistant professor. After not hearing this news for a length of time, I contacted the search committee chair, who identified the successful candidate by name and wrote that it was a difficult search and decision. I then replied by asking how the TT assistant professor’s participation in the visit was not a clear conflict of interest, given that she is married to the successful candidate. The chair forwarded my email to the dean, who replied that the decision was made and that the matter was closed. Neither acknowledged that there might be something ethically problematic about the spouse of one candidate participating in the campus visit of the other candidates, being alone with those candidates for long stretches of time, and having an opportunity to provide feedback to the search committee about those candidates. My doctoral advisor thought I should report the matter to the APA. I consulted with other well-established folks in the field, who agreed that this was really bad behavior by the college. I simply moved on.

I ended up concluding was the search was a just a charade rather than that the college was absolutely oblivious to what would be an egregious COI (had the search been sincere, the committee would be positioning a candidate’s spouse possibly to sabotage the other candidates). The goal was to hire the spouse of the TT assistant professor all along, under the guise of an official search. Now, spousal hires through sham-like searches are not uncommon, and I have no objection in general to spouses getting hired to help retain or secure the other professor. I suspect that the search committee kept the TT assistant professor off the search committee to avoid a COI “on paper,” so to speak. But, to throw candidates off the scent, she was allowed to participate unofficially in the full candidate visits (otherwise, it would seem odd that the one TT philosophy professor at the college was not involved in a search for another TT philosophy professor). Since the plan was to hire her spouse all along, there were no concerns among the committee or dean that her participation would affect adversely other candidates in favor of her spouse. Moreover, I don’t think the committee or dean worried that her participation would signal to candidates that the spouse was not a candidate. He and the TT assistant professor had different last names, and I suspect that the candidates selected for on-campus visits were presumed to be ignorant of the fact that they were married (I only knew they were married because a friend of mine was in the same graduate program as they, and he mentioned it to me when I got the call). The constant praise from the search committee members, I also suspect, was to make the search appear legitimate to the other candidates. An overcorrection, of sorts, since it played a bit with emotions during already stressful situation for them.

I look back at the situation with some humor now, mostly because it’s hard to believe that so much effort was put into covering up the intent of the search, inadvertently risking the appearance of a serious COI. The college could have just taken the TT assistant professor out of the equation altogether, hire her spouse (who was qualified), and be done with it. 

Gorm
Gorm
Reply to  It Worked Out Okay
1 year ago

I have witnessed similar behavior by search committees. One search committee had a department chair on it, and the committee then offered the position to the chair’s x-girlfriend (he had since married another former student … so maybe that is not a conflict of interest). The chair is a super-sleeze ball … but was very well loved in the Canadian philosophy scene. I called the dean, but that was like dealing with a very slippery weasel.
And I had a few interviews at places where there was an inside candidate who it appears was more or less promised the job beforehand. At two of the places, the graduate students let slip that there was an inside candidate, once when I was at lunch with them, and once when I was chatting in their office. Philosophers are really great at carrying what they learn in their ethics classes over to their professional lives 😉 I just looked at Google Scholar … the one insider has 1/7 of the number of citation as I do … this is about 20 years later.

External non-hire
External non-hire
Reply to  Gorm
1 year ago

Realizing that you are against an internal hire at the on-campus interview stage is incredibly frustrating. About a decade ago, there was a position that I fit so perfectly that it was as if the job ad had been written directly for me.

I get to the on-campus interview, knowing that there are two other finalists. I discover that one of them is an internal candidate. He is an inferior candidate in many straightforwardly measurable ways (and could be superior in other ways – i didn’t know them personally).

I didn’t get the job, but I am quite happy where I ended up.

Sam Duncan
Sam Duncan
1 year ago

I had one where the faculty member who took me to breakfast spent the entire breakfast ignoring me and literally playing with his table knife. Like spinning it around on the table like a toddler. “Look it’s magnetized for some reason do you see that!,” he’d squeal in utter delight then go back to using his fork to make it spin for like five or ten minutes while completely ignoring me before he’d break to point out that it was magnetized. I struggled mightily to come up with anything beyond “Uh yeah I see that.” Oh and we had an hour scheduled for breakfast. Then later in the day another faculty member of the department took me to coffee to tell me how much he hated the other members of the department, the students, and the town where the school was located. “Look out for ‘____’ he’s a sonofabitch. I mean they all are but he’s especially bad. Oh and by no accounts live in this rotten little town. My wife and I live in _____ and it’s an hour and half commute each way but well worth it.” He ended with “I’m really hope they hire you. These ___holes don’t know it but I’m retiring next year so you can teach my classes on _____, and the students aren’t good in those but their about as bright as anyone who goes to this place is. I’m rooting for you!” Then when I had my job talk another dude corrected me on what my writing sample was about. I was so schocked I literally just said “No that’s not it. Not at all” before I caught myself. They all also took turns bashing their students. Weirdly enough the only nonawful part of the visit was the teaching demo and the town itself. I actually found the students delightful. And while I wouldn’t quite say the town was delightful it was pleasant enough. It wasn’t my dream locale, but I definitely wouldn’t have commuted 9 hours a week to avoid it.
I also had another one for a teaching fellowship where this old guy chewed me out for having an attendance requirement on my syllabi. His only reason was that his favorite student ever didn’t want to come to class so he met with her every single week in his office instead or sometimes over coffee and a policy like mine would have crushed this delicate flower. And yeah the subtext here was every bit as icky as you’re thinking. I’m not sure he’d had the guts to try anything but he it was pretty obvious he dearly wanted to. He also insisted on interviewing me separately from the other members of the committee. Make of that what you will folks.

David Velleman
David Velleman
1 year ago

Present at my talk was a distinguished senior professor who edited what is still a premier journal. He arrived with a large pile of manuscripts, which he proceeded to read and mark up as I spoke. When I was done, he asked the first question. It was: “Would you please write your argument on the board.”

doris
Reply to  David Velleman
1 year ago

Please, David, the end of the story! How many premises?

David Velleman
David Velleman
Reply to  doris
1 year ago

I said, “No, I can’t write my argument on the board.” I wasn’t offered the job.

Matt L
1 year ago

I don’t know that either of these amount to “horror” stories, but they were both pretty annoying at the time, though at least one was, in retrospect, a bit funny, too. (Both of these were for law schools, showing that not only philosophy departments can screw things up.)

First: My interview was with a pretty good school, but that was located about an hour or two away from the major airport in the big city in the state. I was told I should just fly to the airport, rent a car, and drive myself to the hotel in the city where the university was. That seemed like a pain to me, but I said I’d do it. The rental company was out of the compact cars I’d reserved so “bumped me up” to the next level (a camary or something – nothing fancy), but apparently didn’t give me the same price as the compact car. The university said they would only reimburse me the compact car price, leaving me with the difference. (I might have tried to fight this, but decided it wasn’t worth the difference.) Also, and this obviously wasn’t the school’s fault, at the time I didn’t have a smart phone, and the car I rented wouldn’t have GPS, so I took my own personal Garman GPS with me to use for the drive and… forgot to bring the stand for it, so had to awkwardly prop it up somewhere so I could sort of see it to get directions.

Second, at another law school. I was supposed to meet a senior faculty member for breakfast as the first part of my interview process, and then go straight from breakfast to various “office meetings” of the sort that are common for law school campus interviews. (These are meetings w/ 2-4 faculty members in some person’s office – you might do 4-5 of these on an on-campus interview.) I got outside my hotel, where the faculty member was supposed to pick me up, a few minutes early, and waited, and waited, and waited. After about 20 minutes, I called the head of the search committee (his phone number was the only one I had) and he had no idea what was going on. He called the other faculty member, and it turned out he’d just forgot he was supposed to meet me and take me to breakfast. He lived too far away to make it at that point. So, the search committee chair (who had already eaten breakfast at home) rushed over, picked me up, and took me somewhere where I gulped down some coffee and food in 15 minutes before I had to get to the first office interview.

(I have a funny philosophy job search story, too, but it’s hard to tell w/o naming the people involved, so I’ll leave it aside.)

Niche Philospher
Niche Philospher
1 year ago

I work in a pretty under represented sub-field and once visited a uni that advertised one of three jobs in that subfield that year. Got to campus, and was stuck in an office for a morning of “drop in hours” where I was told that faculty would stop by to chat. No one did. Then the search committee members took me to the faculty club for lunch. I was standing in the salad bar line several people behind one of the search committee members who was explaining to someone else in the line that he was there because of “that stupid ‘niche area’ search we’re doing.” From the conversation with the Dean, it was clear that there was administrative pressure to hire in this sub-field. Needless to say, the department voted that none of the finalists met their exacting standards and didn’t hire anyone.

Graham Harman
Graham Harman
1 year ago

Not quite a campus visit story, but maybe still relevant… I was offered a job by my top choice during the application process while still a finalist for another search, and accepted. Naturally, I wrote a dutiful email to to the chair of the other search committee to withdraw. His response: “That’s OK, we weren’t going to hire you anyway. I hope that doesn’t sting too much.” He then proceeded to write a long paragraph about how I shouldn’t become too discouraged, that it had taken him along time to get his first job, and so forth. I couldn’t decide whether it was more rude or more weird, and simply didn’t respond.

Daniele Mezzadri
Daniele Mezzadri
1 year ago

About a year of so ago, after an online interview, I was invited for a campus visit with interview and two teaching demonstrations (teaching demos for which I had prepared for weeks). The chair of the search committee was quite cold and unpleasant the whole time (making jokes during my teaching demo, for instance). After the interview they told me I will hear from them in a week. I then left (emailing the chair thanking them for the invitation to which I received no reply). After a while i emailed asking for an update. Sorry, there’s a delay. After maybe another two weeks I asked again, at that point they stopped replying. A month and a half later the chair of the search committee emails me to tell me I didn’t get the job. Out of curiosity, I checked who did: somebody with a local PhD who coauthored several papers with the chair of the search committee.

Last edited 1 year ago by Daniele Mezzadri
Another woman philosopher
Another woman philosopher
1 year ago

I had an on campus a couple of years ago at a relatively large department. It had already been a bit weird (the online interview was with a committee of 8, all male), but the on campus confirmed it. I didn’t get the job but am extremely grateful that I didn’t.

I was housed at a seminary with which the dept. had some connection. That was fine although slightly odd (I’m a woman, so at breakfast, 1 female out of 50 or so…). The only soap / shower gel they had in the bathroom smelled of the worst male perfumes (reminded me of my dad’s Old spice from the 80s). So I could hardly use it. I was traveling from overseas so had no shampoo etc. with me.

Then, I was given no schedule at all. I was just supposed to hang around and talk to whoever was willing to talk to me. There weren’t very many.

We went to have dinner on the first night. Out of the 8 committee members, only 3 came. All male of course, black jackets and ties. They talked mostly about hunting and fishing (seriously), of which I know almost nothing.

Then, next day, still hanging around, job talk in the afternoon. (I did have an interview with the dean, which I thought went fine.) Again, out of the 8 committee members, perhaps 5 came. Fairly large audience, two women in it (one faculty, one grad student).

Of course they hired a guy, ABD, no publications. I was fairly disappointed at the time, but really glad it turned out this way (I have gotten something else since, which is a much better personal fit for all sorts of reasons).