Part of the Analytic Tradition, But Maybe Not Philosophers


“Are there people who are unambiguously part of the analytic movement, but [about whom] it is an interesting question whether they are an analytic philosopher?”

That subject is discussed by Brian Weatherson (Michigan) in a recent post at his blog.

He says:

I’ve been reading a few things recently in history of analytic philosophy, and one recurring question is who counts as an analytic philosopher.

Usually the way this question is asked, the implicit focus is on ‘analytic’. The question becomes “Who is an analytic philosopher?”, with a background presupposition that they are indeed a philosopher. There is, at least in the bits of the literature I’ve been reading, less attention to the other form of the question: Who is an analytic philosopher

To the question of whether there are thinkers who are part of the analytic tradition, but about whom it’s ambiguous whether they’re analytic philosophers, he thinks the answer “seems to be obviously yes”:

Einstein, Gödel, von Neumann, Blackwell, and Arrow are all analytic philosophers if they are any kind of philosopher at all, and it’s a trickier question what place they should each have in our history of analytic philosophy.

Weatherson identifies John Maynard Keynes as possibly falling into this ambiguous category, too, calling The General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money (1936) “the single best work of the Cambridge analytic school” (possibly, because he wonders whether Keynes is too much a philosopher to be an ambiguous case).

There are different ways Weatherson’s inquiry might be interpreted. I suspect some hasty readers might be asking themselves, “What does it matter if the thinkers are philosophers or not? Why the boundary policing?” But that is to get things backwards. Weatherson seems to be taking as a quite reasonable starting point the observation that disciplinary boundaries are fuzzy and porous, and asking how that applies to the history of analytic philosophy. It’s a question answers to which might yield a better understanding of the influences on (and influence of) analytic philosophy, and raise further philosophical, sociological, and historical questions about the relationships between philosophy and other disciplines, like economics.

Your thoughts about who occupied the blurry boundary of analytic philosophy in the 20th century are welcome.

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Marketeer
Marketeer
1 year ago

Some ideas from various fields, by no means exhaustive: Alan Turing, Amartya Sen, John Harsanyi,
Herbert Simon, Walter Pitts and Warren McCullough.

Alex
Alex
1 year ago

Linguists like Noam Chomsky, George Lakoff, Anna Wierzbicka. Alonzo Church. A lot of people from cognitive science, e.g., Dan Sperber, Marvin Minsky, David Marr, J.J. Gibson.

Charles Bakker
Charles Bakker
Reply to  Alex
1 year ago

Gibson, in particular is a very interesting case. On the one hand, I do think he was very good at thinking clearly, and he did have a gift for making distinctions, both of which are hallmarks of analytical thinkers. On the other hand, he was working within a number of other traditions that do not fit easily into the assumptions, content, and values of the more Russellian-Moorean analytic tradition at all – Radical Empiricism, Pragmatism (of the sort James, Dewey and Schiller promoted, as opposed to that promoted by Rorty and Putnam), Behaviourism, Functionalism, and Gestalt Psychology.

mario
mario
1 year ago

Gödel ?…umm, well, he actually was interested in Edmund Husserl’s phenomenology. But I guess more analytic philosophers have written about him than the phenomenologists.

Another Philosopher
Another Philosopher
Reply to  mario
1 year ago

Other analytic philosophers have been interested in Husserl.

Patrick Lin
1 year ago

In this context, are we distinguishing philosophers from logicians?

Sam Duncan
Sam Duncan
1 year ago

There’s an excellent discussion of Keynes’s philosophical interests and the influence of Russell, Moore, and Wittgenstein in Zachary Carter’s biography “The Price of Peace.” Carter makes a pretty good case that there’s a pretty sophisticated, and deeply humane, moral and political philosophy undergirding Keynes’ work in economics. Moore’s moral philosophy apparently had a pretty profound impact on Keynes. Carter claims that Keynes stepped back from out and out philosophical work after he let Wittgenstein convince him that there really wasn’t a point in the enterprise. (One really wonders how many other great minds were lost to philosophy due to that man’s delphic ramblings.)

Tom Hurka
Tom Hurka
Reply to  Sam Duncan
1 year ago

Keynes’s “My Early Beliefs” has some very penetrating observations about Moore’s moral philosophy and its influence on him and other Bloomsbury-ites..

Brandon Beasley
Brandon Beasley
Reply to  Sam Duncan
1 year ago

Seems to me that it was precisely because Keynes had a deeply held humanistic vision behind his work in economics that Wittgenstein’s influence may have led him away from philosophical pursuits and towards doing more ‘practical’ good.

That’s not to say that philosophy is not important to practical goods, or that it cannot itself be a practical good — indeed, arguably Wittgenstein thought that it is and ought to be a practical good and that his statements discouraging people from philosophy was really about discouraging people from *academia*, or at least a certain conception of academia.

Whether one agrees with that or not (and I do not, even though I think there is a good point in there), it’s plausible that Keynes was convinced by Wittgenstein that it was not through philosophical pursuits that he, Keynes, could achieve what he most valued.

Siddharth Muthukrishnan
Siddharth Muthukrishnan
1 year ago

Thomas Kuhn, John Bell, and David Deutsch clearly fall on the boundary I think.

A weird case is Feynman who (imho) had a real talent for identifying and addressing what we would call philosophical questions. But he was absolutely scathing about philosophy and certainly did not see himself as even remotely as part of that tradition.

Howard Sankey
Howard Sankey
Reply to  Siddharth Muthukrishnan
1 year ago

Kuhn is a curious case. In his book on Kuhn, Alexander Bird describes The Structure of Scientific Revolutions as a work of “theoretical history” rather than philosophy of science. But when you get to Kuhn’s 1982 paper, ‘Commensurability, Comparability, Communicability’, in which he engages in detail with Davidson and Putnam, he seems clearly to be doing analytic philosophy.

cecil burrow
cecil burrow
1 year ago

Keynes ‘A Treatise on Probability’ definitely counts as analytic formal epistemology.

Matt L
1 year ago

Possible cases could include Ernest Mach, who pre-dates much of “proper” analytic philosophy, but is pretty important for the logical positivists, and whose more philosophical work is pretty “analytic”, as well as mathamaticians such as Hilbert, much of whose work is obviously of deep philosophical importance, and not obviously different in style from other logicians working at the time, but who, I think, didn’t identify as a philosopher, work in a philosophy department, and maybe didn’t do a lot of strictly philosophical work (I’m not 100% sure here.)

Harsanyi, mentioned above, is especially interesting because he had a PhD in philosophy, earned in Hungary, but this seems to have been mostly traditional Catholic philosophy of the sort done there then, with the work that would make him famous among philosophers being more of a result of his later-earned PhD in economics.

Matt L
1 year ago

I’m curious about something Weatherson says on his blog. Talking about Keynes, he says, “By that definition, Keynes would count. he had a philosophy degree.” But as far as I can tell, Keynes’ degree was in math. (According to wikipedia: “In May 1904, he received a first-class BA in mathematics” and he informally studied philosophy and economics for a short time as a graduate student but then took the civil service exam and didn’t finish an advanced degree, at least via study. (Maybe he got one of those weird Cambridge MAs given for hanging around a while, but that’s not listed on wikipedia and I’m not sure why it would count here.)

Is there some degree I’m missing here? Obviously enough math and philosophy were closely connected at Cambridge at the time (Russell’s degree also being in math) but I don’t know of any evidence that Keynes had a dgree in philosophy.

Brian Weatherson
Brian Weatherson
Reply to  Matt L
1 year ago

I was being a bit liberal with ‘degree’ there. He submitted drafts of the Treatise twice as a fellowship dissertation. It was examined by philosophers (Johnson and Whitehead if I recall correctly), and was passed at the second attempt.

In other words, he did exactly the things you’d do if you were nowadays getting a PhD in a system where the degrees were research based. The result was a fellowship not a degree, so what I wrote was sloppy. What was actually true is that he did something functionally equivalent to a contemporary PhD in philosophy.

Tom Hurka
Tom Hurka
Reply to  Brian Weatherson
1 year ago

Was the fellowship a competitive research fellowship at a Cambridge college, like the 6-year one Moore had at Trinity and for which he wrote a “dissertation” on Kant’s ethics on which comments were written by Sidgwick, Bosanquet, and Caird? (He got the fellowship on the second try.) If so, “passed” also seems sloppy. The fellowship committee will have judged Keynes’s work to be better than any other submitted in the competition but that doesn’t mean it “failed” the others in the sense of judging them not up to some absolute standard. It just found them less promising than Keynes’s.

Howard Sankey
Howard Sankey
1 year ago

I wonder where Alfred Tarski would fit into this. Clearly highly influential within analytic philosophy. But was he an analytic philosopher?

Sam
Sam
1 year ago

Notably Angelika Kratzer gave the Locke lectures in 2022, which must be our profession’s equivalent of Dylan winning the Nobel prize.

Matt L
Reply to  Sam
1 year ago

Chomsky also gave them (in 1968-69) so at least one other linguist had done so. (Formal semantics is too complicated for me to have informed opinions on these days, but to an outsider her work surely seems philosophically relevant.)

I so type.
I so type.
1 year ago

I remember reading Otto Neurath in my foundations of analytic philosophy class, thinking he was interesting, then I never heard about him again.

Michael Kremer
Michael Kremer
1 year ago

I suggest Chomsky.

Two other thoughts: Margaret Masterman; Hans Hahn.

Brad
Brad
Reply to  Michael Kremer
1 year ago

Hans Hahn, without a doubt. He participated in the early Vienna Circle (pre-WW I), as well as the later Circle (after WW I). And he was instrumental in arranging for Schlick to be hired at Vienna. He also wrote a piece that is anthologized (in part) in Ayer’s edited volume, Logical Positivism, that I have used when I was teaching about the Vienna Circle – it is worth reading (though the titled escapes me now).

Tracey
Tracey
1 year ago

Michael Dummett, in his little book Origins of Analytical Philosophy, argued that the linguistic turn is the hallmark of analytic philosophy. In that sense, most of the people mentioned here are not analytic philosophers, nor are many of us now in Anglophone philosophy.

Holger
Holger
Reply to  Tracey
1 year ago

Dummett had a very strict view about “analytic” such that Gareth Evans ceased to be analytic, according to Dummett, as soon as he endeavoured to connect meaning and speaker’s intentions.

praymont
praymont
1 year ago

Joseph Henry Woodger, a positivist biologist who (according to Popper) influenced philosophy of science. His Wikipedia entry says he followed the Vienna Circle program of trying to reduce biology to physics and chemistry.

praymont
praymont
1 year ago

C. Lloyd Morgan? He was a psychologist but published a book with OUP called Spencer’s Philosophy of Science. His methodology influenced psychological behaviorism, but he also influenced later analytic philosophy via his work on emergence. By the end of his career, he was Professor of Psychology and Ethics at Bristol. He was President of the Aristotelian Society in 1926-27.

Grad Student #223
Grad Student #223
1 year ago

I personally think Zenon Pylyshyn is a philosopher in the analytic tradition in addition to being a cognitive scientist, but I could see people saying otherwise without being unreasonable.

praymont
praymont
1 year ago

Ernest Gellner. Studied PPE at Oxford, began his career in a philosophy department, but then moved into Sociology at the LSE.

Holger
Holger
1 year ago

Roger Penrose. He published a book, Shadows of the Mind, about philosophy of mind and logic.

Avi Sommer
1 year ago

Douglas Hofstadter, perhaps.